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Bethnal Green & Bow Hustings

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Started 2 years ago by yuri
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Bethnal Green and Bow Pirate Party Alexander van Terhey

yuri
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I was at the hustings last night! wow!

Ajmal totally won that debate. Yes Abjol had more fans in the room but Ajmal was elegant, eloquent sensible, diplomatic etc

Abjol is a great guy but lacks charisma, he is not for politics. He was mumbling too much, he was boring and he said 'yeah' far too many times. A politican who says 'yeah' ...are you serious?

The other dude from united voice said some crazy things. he was passionate sincere but not diplomatic at all. Abortion is genocide...bring back death penalty...no rights for drug dealers....

Hot contest!!!

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
Member

No doubt Ajmal will be more smooth when it comes to talking, he gets air time all the time. His had enough practice, but can you trust him? Do you think he will fight our corner or will he smooth talk himself out of a situation.

My hope Abjol gets in, if not Ajmal...no way to Rushnara - I'm too good to attend!

Posted 2 years ago #
Mohammed
Member

For a more detailed analysis...

http://youelect.org.uk/constituency/bethnal-green-and-bow/news/opinion-piece-bethnal-green-and-bow-youelect-hustings-causes-quite-a-stir

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
Member

Despite numerous enquiries - I never heard about this Hustings until the day after. If there are any more planned _ can someone please mail me on a.vanterheyden@piratparty.org.uk - I am the Pirate Party Candidate for Bethnal Green and Bow. It would be nice to have a chance to debate the other candidates.

Also how does one get recognised on this site? I'm not listed as one of the PPC's

Many thanks

Alexander van Terheyden

Posted 2 years ago #
yuri
Member

whether or not you can trust ajmal or abjol is subjective.

objectively Ajmal came out on top in the hustings.

he has the character for politics! he has the look the words the charisma etc..

no doubt abjol is a good candidate too but im saying Ajmal looks good.

also ajmal will be part of a solid black in the house with the Lib Dems but Abjol will be a lone ranger!

Posted 2 years ago #
yuri
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Alexander

i take offence to u saying the candidates running against you are all being managed by the Mosque.

would you say the same about all the Jewish MPs in Parliament? I think not!

indeed these candidates are muslim and of course they have much support form the mosque, but to suggest something more sinister is an indictment of the current political climate. You feel comfortable saying what you are saying because of the open season against Muslims.

im not suggesting you are racist/ i do not believe that.

what i am saying is think about what you have said. your comments which are posted on the youelect website under your profile suggest that these candidates are only good for Muslims because they are Muslim.

Would you say black MPs are only good for the black community?

Islam is their private religion. full stop.

no more no less.

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
Member

Alexander

Much their policies to what Abjol and Ajmal stand for are for the common good of society. Also they are representative of the community, have been based in Bethnal Green and Bow all thier lives, they truely have grassroot level support. They do not only stand for Muslim views, they represent the whole spectrum. Civil liberties, human rights, constituences issues, foriegn policy etc. So other than being green, which the green party stands for anyway, what else do you stand for?

Posted 2 years ago #
abuhamza
Member

BMI back Abol over Ajmal.
Must be because of respects foreign policy , and the belief that ajmal will be swayed by party politics

Posted 2 years ago #
Knight
Member

yuri if Jewish MP were managed by Mosques - well that would be NEWS?

Posted 2 years ago #
Knight
Member

Yuri - I fear Ajmal might go the way of Sadik sleek I dont know Muslim Khan or worst khalid Mahmod

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
Member

I'm Anti Religion - I don't believe it should play a part in politics. And yet in this Constituency it plays a major part in how people will be voting. Being Anti Religion does not make you racist. And I'm sure if you read my blog - http://vanterheyden.blogspot.com/ and hung out with my friends and I you would quickly realise this wasn't the case. However, all the evidence would suggest the East London Mosque is bank rolling several candidates in this election. I'm stepping up to the plate and asking if this should be allowed?

I would also be against the Church of England, a synagogue or a secret sect bank rolling a candidate.

Until these candidates I have mentioned on my blog can stand tall without religious bankrolling - i'm going to criticise them.

Posted 2 years ago #
Knight
Member

Blair was a secret Catholic - is it not better to know your candidates religious beliefs before they come into power rather than be informed afterwards.

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
Member

Alexander, religion is a belief and you holding the view that religion should not play a part in politics, that itself is a belief. So no matter how much you try and thread religion away from politics, it will not work. Through religious beliefs many are engaged in politics, and if it were not for them this huge bloc would leave a gap. This very website has sprung up due to religious convictions! These candidtaes in Bethnal Green and Bow are standing for various issues, many issues that do not even relate to religion. So are you saying in your campaign you wish to exclude people that wish to engage on religious grounds? You clearly don't represent the community that you wish to run for.

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
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@v4vendetta - I wish to represent everyone in the community - the fact is I won't be biased because I label myself as one religion. Try and deny someone who has been bankrolled by a Religious Institution won't favour the constituents of that religion first before they even look at the other constituents. Its my belief the non-Mosque goers in Bethnal Green and Bow are going to get a raw deal in the Long run.
If you vote for a Candidate who isn't biased to one religion and certainly isn't paid for by a religiuos institution you may see that individual working harder and fairer for everyone rather than working hard for just some.

Posted 2 years ago #
Knight
Member

VANTERHEYDEN - you can be antireligion but to extend that and think religious people are bank rolled by Mosques is stretching it a little.

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
Member

@Knight - I don't think in this case it's actually a fact. Ask the Liberal, Respect and Green Party MPs if they have recieving any of their funding from the East London Mosque.

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
Member

@VANTERHEYDEN :

If you have facts and evidence that the mosque is funding candidates, then provide it. This will create storm for the mosque goers, becase the mosque stands on donations. If people find out thier money is going towards politics and not for the mosque only, then there will uproar. Muslims who donate money as a religious duty will not want thier money going towards anything but the running of the mosque. Also the mosque I believe is a charity, this won't go down well the charity commission.

So pull forth any evidence, otherwise scrap the nonesense!

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
Member

This might be a good starting point http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/tag/islamic-forum-europe-east-london-mosque-bangladesh-whitechapel-anarchist-respect-galloway-swp-ife-isalm4uk-bnp-edl-labour-dispatches-channel-4-andrew-gilligan/

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
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@VANTERHEYDEN :

This is a very poor attempt to prove your claims that the Mosque has financed the candidates. The documentary itself was a sham, making accusations against IFE. IFE is a very active organisation, and like every other lobby group it gets the community and politicians to be swayed in a certain direction. This is nothing illegal and this is politics. Every lobby group whether religious or not has an agenda and does the very same thing. Let's take the Zionist lobby, it attempts to sway its community members and politicians to stand up and represent the zionist ideology in favour of Israel.

VANTERHEYDEN it is a shame that you point out the IFE documentary, it only drops your credibility, you truely do not understand the community in Bethnal Green & Bow. When Muslims do not partake in politics and mainstream society, they get accused of being isolationists and not ingrating. When they do engage in society and politics, they are accused of having a sinister agenda.

IFE is NOT East London Mosque. IFE does use its venues like other organisations at the mosque to carry out its classes. IFE has been responsible for acheiving great feats in East London: political engagement, cleaning the streets of hooligans, getting the young generation to be engaged in creative activities, emancipating the drugs problem etc etc. And if they are credited with removing Oona King, who voted for the war in Iraq...well done IFE!

We all don't agree with every policies and agendas IFE and other political organisations stand for. If there is an alternative, let them come out and lobby. But that is politics! I recommend that you do not dig into the politics of Bangladesh, both pre and post independance. It is a can of worms that you do not want to touch.

So VANTERHEYDEN, you have yet to come out of any proof of the Mosque sponsoring any of the candidates. This is a very serious accusation to which the only proof you bring is the IFE documentary. Know the consituency you are standing for before you start accusing great institutions that have done so much good for the common good of society.

Posted 2 years ago #
VANTERHEYDEN
Member

Great institutions?

Obviously you work for IFE - that is very clear now

And in regards to : IFE has been responsible for acheiving great feats in East London: political engagement, cleaning the streets of hooligans, getting the young generation to be engaged in creative activities, emancipating the drugs problem etc etc.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you sure? What holligans have been cleaned off the streets? Other than shouting down those that don't support Respect how has the IFE been politically engaged? Oh yeah - they've been skimming off millions from Tower Hamlets Council - if you want to call that politically engaged - so be it - but I question how all this skimming has benefited Tower Hamlets? When have the Young Not been engaged in Creative Activities? There also seems to be more prolific drug use in Tower Hamlets than ever before - you only need to engage with the police to confirm this statistic. And you claim this problem has been solved by the IFE?

Like I said I stand by no Lobby Group, Union, Religious Institution or Corporation. I stand firm by the people. And if this isn't understand I don't know what is.

Posted 2 years ago #
Concerned
Member

Looks to me that you could all work together. Vanterheyden seems to be dedicated for the good of the people. Ife seems to be working hard with the community. There are other political parties that want to work for their own agendas rather than benefit the local community.

Posted 2 years ago #
v4vendetta
Member

Again, this is the best you can come out with. More accusations and more stories with no evidence. While you were at it, you accused me of working for IFE. Great political thought process you have...linking one thing to another with no correlation to the social structure of the area. You just proved you are not worthy of a candidate in Bethnal Green and Bow, in fact you are right, you stand by no group whatsoever, you represent no one. Mr Pirate land yourself in the sea where there are no inhabitants and you just might have better luck in winning something!

Good luck in your campaign...NOT

Posted 2 years ago #

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